How many times Vegeta has surpassed Goku in power? Ask Question. Asked 3 years, 11 months ago. Active 2 years, 8 months ago.
Viewed 6k times. We know of a few times Vegeta was stronger than Goku. Before arriving to Earth, prior Goku learnt kaioken This shouldn't count as surpassing, since he started being stronger The first time he went out of the time chamber. The time Beerus slapped Bulma. Therefore my question is, How many times Vegeta has surpassed Goku in power? Improve this question. Pablo Pablo Add a comment.
Active Oldest Votes. This was the same time Goku was infected with the heart virus. From there, however, Goku finds new ways to surpass Vegeta. By Renan Fontes Published Oct 01, Share Share Tweet Email 0. Related Topics Lists dragon ball. Goku had better opportunities and ways of training than Vegeta.
Such as being able to train in the Other World twice and access to the Gravity Machine before Vegeta. If they both had trained under similar conditions their entire lives, Vegeta might have become stronger. When Goku died the first time, he was given training under King Kai. The Kaioken technique allowed Goku to reach power that could rival Vegeta's.
During the Frieza saga, Vegeta was able to gain multiple Zenkais due to battles against Zarbon, Recoome etc. Meanwhile, Goku was able to train in under times normal gravity something Vegeta had no access to at the time.
It can be assumed that Goku was able to gain a Zenkai or two while training under the gravity. He also gained a Zenkai after recovering from when Captain Ginyu stole his body. When Goku became a Super Saiyan for the first time due to Krillin's death, his power completely overmatched Vegeta's. It wasn't until the 3 three years that the Z Fighter trained for the Androids that Vegeta finally became a Super Saiyan probably due to his massive gravity training and desire to become one.
It could be assumed that his power was somewhere around equal to Goku's at this point in time kind of hard to tell, as Goku began dealing with the heart virus. Now, when each of them trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a day a year each, they both were able to reach Ascended Super Saiyan transformations.
Goku saw the weaknesses in the transformation, Vegeta didn't. They were probably still around equal in power and speed at the time. But once Goku discovered the advantages of mastering the initial Super Saiyan transformation, he was able to lessen the weaknesses of the Super Saiyan transformation, such as burning to much energy at once. This means that Goku was able to reach the maximum potential of the initial transformation, he was able to reach into all of its power.
Vegeta, on the other hand, didn't develop an understanding of the concept of a Full Power Super Saiyan, so even though Vegeta spent another day year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, his power couldn't match Goku's.
During the seven years of peace, Vegeta continued his gravity training. But as I said before since Goku was dead from sacrificing himself against Cell , he had yet another opportunity to train in other world, where he had absolutely no limits on his body or to his power, as Vegeta had limits on Earth. Vegeta wasn't even able to reach Super Saiyan 2 until Babidi gave him a lot more power. Goku, on the other hand, was able to reach the Super Saiyan 3 transformation while in Other World.
This is when Vegeta realized that he could no longer rival Goku in power. It shows even more in Dragonball GT if you consider it canon , where Goku trains for 10 years on Kami's Lookout, while Vegeta basically gave up training to spend time with his family.
So, there you have it. I guess this should explain why Goku is stronger than Vegeta. I had a similar one in another fourm the only thing you're wrong about is Vegeta reaching SS2, he only let Babidi take control of him so that he could regain his evil nature and fight ruthlessly his power didn't change. Though I've read somewhere on this wiki that Babidi's control did in fact give him an increase in power, just not an overly drastic one such as being able to transform into a Super Saiyan 2.
And thanks for the compliment about my post. New poster in this discussion. But I just wanted to say that, while the original poster of this sub-section listed great reasons why Goku is stronger, in the end it only explains so much.
Eventually you realize that it is because Goku is the main character, and no other real reason. I read somewhere that Akira Toriyama doesn't even like Vegeta, and that he only kept him alive and added as a recurring character due to fans.
The creators of the anime must have felt the same way, because their disdain for the character showed even in their added content and the completely original DBZ movies. One great example that comes to mind is the Cooler Part II movie. Goku and Vegeta are both Super Saiyans, and for once they work together and seem on par. It's awesome.
Then they're taken into the Big Gete Star and have the life sucked out of them; they both even rebound by powering up and overloading the circuits. They both pass out from being drained. But who gets up to finish Cooler? Why, Goku of course! Because the goddamn main character. It's really stupid and unfair. They even do it to Vegeta's son.
Because he's Goku's son. If it isn't Goku saving the day, it's his son s. Every time we think it's going to change because of things like Future Trunks coming and killing Freiza and King Cold, it just goes back to course.
Goku shows up having conveniently trained on Yardrat and thus has increased power and the new instant transmission technique and outclasses Trunks. Or what about when Vegeta unveils his Super Vegeta transformation?
He beats up Cell, and seems like he's finally going to save the day. But nope, the writers decide to write that Vegeta is too arrogant to just kill Cell at Imperfect Form. And if that isn't enough, Goku, being the imicile that he is consistently shown to be, has conveniently discovered the "Super" form in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and develops full-power super sayain. Seriously, I think the creators just have a thing for humiliating Vegeta and giving him unrealistic "a-hole" traits instead of focusing on his better ones.
Like in the Cell Games where Vegeta has some serious development when Trunks is mortally wounded, and realizes that he's ignored his son and tries to avenge him and right his wrongs by unleashing everything on Cell. So you'd think in the Buu saga, Vegeta would have come around and cared for his family, right?
Nope, he still treats Trunks like crap. It's ridiculous to think that he would have ever treated him that way in the first place. King Vegeta loved Vegeta more than anything, and vice-verca.
So Vegeta should have the same affection for Trunks. But anyways, you get the idea. Now that he was no longer evil, Vegeta became inhibited by the fact that he needed to exercise control for the sake of others.
It's analogous to the idea that killing someone is easier than stopping them through force. But with Babidi's control taking root in him, his inhibitions caused by his newfound morals are removed.
Raditz possesses only a fraction of Vegeta's power, so the fact Goku barely managed to beat him confirms that Prince Vegeta was the stronger of the two during their early lives. The turning point comes after Goku trains with King Kai in the afterlife and learns trademark moves such as Kaio Ken and the Spirit Bomb.
This brings Goku up to Vegeta's level and, after an intense fight to conclude the Saiyan saga, there is no clear winner.
Goku attained the fabled Super Saiyan form first, but Vegeta apparently did it better. After training alone vigorously to catch up with Goku, Vegeta unveils his Super Saiyan transformation while facing down the Androids, and Piccolo states that, with this later power upgrade, Vegeta has managed to overtake Kakarott.
The fact that Goku was ailed with a heart condition at the time perhaps didn't aid his cause. Dragon Ball Z 's Cell saga introduces the now-familiar concept of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, a place where characters can train for years with only a few days passing in the outside world.
Goku, Vegeta and their respective sons utilized this mystic room when faced with the formidable threat of Cell.
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